In the Studio: Deftones

SPIN Interview

The Deftones (Chino Moreno, center / Chi Cheng, second from right)
The Deftones (Chino Moreno, center / Chi Cheng, second from right)

Sacramento alt-metal quintet the Deftones will release their sixth studio album this May, capping nearly four years of writing and recording that included a return to the drawing board after sudden tragedy hit the band.

In late 2008, as the group wrapped sessions on what was then slated to be their next release, Eros, bassist Chi Cheng was critically injured in a car crash, leaving him in a semi-conscious state (he remains in a Northern California hospital today). Last June, after more than six months in limbo, the Deftones shelved Eros -- which had become a constant reminder of Cheng's absence -- and started over.

"With everything we were going through, the Deftones needed to pour all of our thoughts, energy, and emotions into something new… something more optimistic," singer Chino Moreno, 36, tells SPIN.com from his home in Los Angeles. "I couldn't tour behind a record with all these memories of Chi attached to it."

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With former Quicksand bassist Sergio Vega filling in, the Deftones found a renewed energy, writing songs in a rehearsal space together -- an approach they had ditched on their past few albums, which were recorded layer by layer with ProTools. Soon the band entered a L.A. studio with producer Nick Raskulinecz. The result: 11 songs for their yet-to-be-titled release, the sound of which recalls the group's early days -- while also exploring new territory.

One of Moreno's favorite tracks, "Rocket Skates," is a "heavier" tune with "beautiful yet violent imagery," that has "a fantasy vibe" similar to "Knife Party," a hit from 2000's White Pony. But another newbie, "Nylons and Suspenders," marks a first for the 20-year-old band.

"Musically, it's something that we haven't done before," he explains. "It's very… sludgy, like a chainsaw-type of riff but very slow. I shouldn't say this, but it's clunky… in an awesome way."

Here's more of our interview with Chino:

What can fans expect from the new album?

The dynamics Deftones are known for -- aggressive overtones and lush openness. They're on opposite sides of the spectrum, but we meld them together without sounding contrived. There are a few heavy songs, too, like our first couple records, and there are also experimental tunes -- but there's not a minute on this record that feels like it doesn't need to be there. Each sound complements the other. I'll straight-up say it: it's definitely one of our best albums.

It must have been a tough decision to ditch Eros after Cheng's injury and start over.

It really was. But we didn't can it completely -- we still have Eros. It's a really experimental, dark record for us, and it's special because it's the last thing that Chi played on. We've put in the vault and will release it when the time is right -- hopefully when Chi is back on his feet. But when the accident happened, we just didn't want to be in that time anymore. We had to start looking to the future. We needed to create something more optimistic.

 

What direction are you going in lyrically?

Well, I've been wanting to record a fantasy album like White Pony, where the lyrics are less, 'This is my life and this is what we're going through.' It helps take us away from reality. I don't like listening to people's problems -- I like music. Music has been smothered with that complaining since the early-'90s. It gets old. Instead of going to the opposite side of the spectrum and listening to Black Eyed Peas, which is just straight silly, I choose to listen to more instrumental music. I do very little singing about myself on this record. I love songs where I can totally take myself out of being human. I can sing about really odd things, and they don't necessarily have to pertain to me at all. It paints a picture. Those are the kind of lyrics I grew up with -- like the Cure. Really visual images and no storytelling.

How did the addition of Sergio Vega affect the music?

It brought us closer together than we've been in a really long time. Musically, we were really clicking, and Sergio really fits with the band. But he's a different type of player than Chi; Chi plays with his fingers, Sergio plays with his pick. We're just appreciative that we're still alive and able to make music. The recording process was very different -- we didn't use ProTools. We wrote each song in a practice place and played them a million times 'til they were perfect. That approach goes back to our earlier days, and it's a lot more personable. We work better when everybody's together -- and the songs benefit.

Do Deftones have any studio pastimes, or is there anything you can't live without while recording?

Hmmm… weed? [laughs].

What do you guys do to relax?

[Guitarist] Stephen [Carpenter] plays golf every morning -- he's super, super hardcore about that. I still skateboard all the time -- it's one of my favorite things. Lately I've been hiking, too. I'm also doing a couple side projects. Most recently I have the Holy Ghost, which I'm doing with my buddy Shaun Lopez from the band Far. He lives a couple blocks away from me, so I go over to his studio a few nights a week and work on this electro record. Annie Hardy from Giant Drag has done a couple vocals on this project, too.

How's Cheng doing these days?

I saw him over the holidays -- he looks a lot better. It's been almost a year and a half since his accident, so he's making progress. He's still in a semi-conscious state. He opens his eyes and looks at you, but he's not communicating yet. There's a specialist from the East Coast who's coming out, who knows some experimental medicine and is going to try to wake up him up. Supposedly, this doc has an 85 percent success rate with waking people from these types of things. We're just all trying to be as optimistic as possible. I hope I can have a conversation with Chi again, he's one of my best friends. I miss him.

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Posted By Wes

07.25.10 10:24 PM

this album is very good. while it doesn't trump anything tool has done, i think the deftones have carved their own path where comparing the two bands isn't really useful. This record is a kick in the face to everything out right now

Posted By werddup

05.27.10 10:20 PM

why are you all up on Chino's Nutz?

Posted By Deftonion

03.17.10 12:32 PM

I am a 43 yr old woman who`s favorite band is the Deftones! The song that got me hooked was Change. After I heard that on the radio I went out and purchased the CD. I was addicted! I went out the next day and bought every CD they ever made and feel proud I`m part of the understanding of what a great unique band they really are! Deftones forever!! Love U Chino!!!

Posted By Noj

03.05.10 5:34 PM

I really pray and hope Chi does come back and makes a full recovery...God Bless all his family and friends. I can not even imagine how hard a battle of that magnitude is for him and those around him. I am a huge Deftones fan and I am so proud they are fighting ahead with new music and powerful optimisum. I got to hear "ROCKET SKATES" on Sirus this morning and as ways I got super hyped! As for all the other Tool this..weed that banter on hear...I really think we focus on the dumb stuff way to much these days so.....stop. Deftones for President!

Posted By Casey

02.24.10 2:07 PM

Ok first of all, Rocket Skates is a great f-ing tune!!! Secondly, as much as we all miss Chi, I think that Sergio is really the best fill-in while Chi is making his recovery. Quicksand was a top-notch band in my book. So, while we wait for Chi to recover....lets give these boys serious props for keeping us going throught their troubled times. Oneloveforchi!!!

Posted By rab

02.24.10 11:31 AM

suck it anonymous! tool is good, but they ain't no deftones!

Posted By ryu

02.23.10 2:09 AM

thank you... couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted By Lorneyc

02.21.10 10:01 PM

All Chino did was answer a question truthfully. The guy asks him what he likes to do in between takes and he answers 'weed'. Who cares. I find that the only people who have a real thing against drugs are those who have never tried them. People who are dumb enough to belive all the government propaganda about how weed makes you schizophrenic and ecstacy puts holes in your brain. You people probably think second hand smoke is super dangerous too, gimme a f**kin break.

Posted By Hank Stone

02.20.10 7:28 AM

I really love the Deftones, and am so happy that Chi is making progress. I send my ****es every day!
Oneloveforchi!

Posted By Anonymous

02.17.10 9:24 AM

Tool is so much better than Deftones.

Posted By Anonymous

02.17.10 3:00 AM

the deftones are the greatest band ever,more inteligent music then most any band your bound to hear. if chino says this cd is one of the best yet, Then it is! i cant wait! & Chi is coming back and will play the bass again. Oneloveforchi!!!

Posted By Brandy

02.15.10 11:23 PM

Deftones are amazing. So underrated, never heard them on the radio unless they have had a cd just come out, and then the radio will play them for a month. No wonder I don't listen to the radio anymore. And to whoever spazzed cause Chino said weed, get over it. People smoke weed cause the like it, it doesn't effect you so who cares? I actually smoked with Chino and Stephen and it was a great experience, so go shut up.

Posted By 210 TeX-mAdE-mEx

02.10.10 4:45 PM

deftones r the ****--with weed and with out--i jam deftones all the time---seen them alot when they make it down here in texas-- just want to say thanks for all the great music. alot of my best times in my life--deftones was playing in the back ground----pls help out people to get to that 100,000 mark---oneloveforchi.com

Posted By aggropsicotica

02.08.10 8:29 PM

excelente ancioso esperando el nuevo albun :)

Posted By Anonymous

02.08.10 5:03 PM

One thing the DEFTONES ARE NOT ABOUT is trying to be "COOL". You make it seem like the WHOLE article was about weed...If you dont like then dont do it, simple as that. GET OVER IT!!!!! Deftones will always have my respect for being ORIGINAL and staying TRUE to themselves and not following the "cool" or "it" thing to do.

Posted By shutup

02.08.10 4:52 PM

shut up

no one cares what you think

Posted By Anonymous

02.08.10 2:48 PM

Weed is a great catalyst for creating some pretty expressive and bold art IF you do it in moderation and IF you're over the age of 21. A lot of people know this and that's why the majority of society is in the process of changing its feelings about pot.

If Chino said beer helped him in the studio, would those of you have criticized him just as much? When I was a kid, Korn, 311, and a ton of other bands had weed paraphernalia all over their DVDs. Did it make me a stoner? No. I chose to start weed about 10 years after I was exposed to any of this and it wasn't because I was thinking I'd be cool like [rock band].

Kids, go to school; get an education; don't believe anything you hear any only half of what you see.

Posted By Brad

02.08.10 2:13 PM

yea chino..like duh--don't you know straight edge is cool now!...lolz like geez dood!

seems like it was the 90's when their target audience was teenagers...so its been a minute...

Weed has always been a part of Deftones and its not about being cool its about being addicted to THC and using that addiction to your advantage as an "on demand" creative vehicle. Instead of waiting for inspiration to come along you make it happen by smoking some weed. This is especially helpful when you're working with time constraints...

Either way its probably not a good idea to be concerned about what teenagers think. Wait till they get a little older and have a better since of reality because a lot of them are too caught up in "being cool" and school life to have a good sense of reality. Sounds like maybe you never quite left that stage. mmmm?

Posted By Anonymous

02.08.10 10:45 AM

Weed comments were cool in high school Chino... I am certain the teens are just loving this interview. Loser!

Posted By Paulo D.

02.07.10 8:04 PM

Im totally looking forward for this new album!

By the way, somebody tells Chino about the name Holy Ghost...there's a well know electronic group from NY (released by DFA) who uses this name before him.

Posted By Anonymous

02.07.10 5:21 PM

Agreed, that's such a stupid thing to say. Very insensitive. Let me guess.. You're 14 years old or younger

Posted By Anonymous

02.07.10 1:17 PM

what a comment you jack ass why would you say something so stupid and disrespectful your a true ass hole !!

Posted By Anonymous

02.07.10 1:25 AM

Time to move on. Chi might get better but he'll never play bass again.
Sad yes but visit any nursing home...

Posted By Sigh

02.06.10 8:24 PM

4 years...........

Saturday Night Wrist was the last CD i bought. :|

Posted By Nico

02.06.10 6:18 PM

Anybody who wants to help can do it through here:

www.oneloveforchi.com

Posted By KevinD

02.06.10 6:05 PM

Good article, and there can never be too much press for Deftones, the most under-appreciated hard rock band in America. Love these guys.

But what happened to April 27th? Now it's May? We're going on 4 years between records...

Posted By Dan Giacobbe

02.06.10 1:53 PM

Great article. I'm so glad to finally see a date set for the new release, and I am even happier to see that Eros isn't getting tossed out. I love Quicksand too, and Sergio Vega is one of my favorite bassists, so I was pumped to have him play with Deftones. Best of luck to the band and Chi. Wonderful news about a wonderful band.

Posted By thisisnotcarlos

02.06.10 4:25 AM

Hell yeah.

Posted By Aliodie

02.06.10 1:24 AM

CANNOT ****IN WAIT! and chino looks even better than he did on tour!FHDSKLJFSKA

Posted By Rachel Alexis

02.06.10 12:59 AM

I'm so excited to read about this. Really good interview. Deftones are one of my favourite bands ever & I can't wait to hear a new CD from them sometime soon. I really love them & their music so much. I was so sad to hear about Chi's accident back in 2008 & I really hope he gets well soon. He's such a great bass player & has always seemed like a really cool, down-to-earth guy. I can't wait to see & hear all 5 guys play together again. Get well very soon, Chi! Your fans really miss you & need you to rock again!

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